2005-03-09 [Love like Winter.]: Ok, I see your point with the metel head in your picture but I'm not basing my hate on race, I just don't like rap *shrugs*

2005-03-09 [Chakan]: And Not ALL rappers dress like Nelly or whoever,I know alot of rappers that dress quite cleanly infact.Im sorry to say it [FireGypsy] but you really don't understand the Rap/Hip-hop culture at all.All you know is the stuff they put all over the TV, and that's not all it is.That's just all you see.

2005-03-10 [wayne]: Corporations exploit the dipiction of black culture stereotypes. Sure there's some underground emcees that end up on a major record label (blackalicious,Mos Def, Talib Kweli...even Royce Da 5'9) they don't see near the amount of marketing as emcees that rap about violence, money, and mysogyny. Anyways, who wants to buy music that talks about real issues?

2005-03-10 [Love like Winter.]: Music should be an escape from the real world not a reminder!

2005-03-10 [wayne]: There's many hip hop artists that offer that too, but i strongly disagree with you. Music is a powerful median,so it's only logical that people use it to get their messages out.

2005-03-10 [Love like Winter.]: I know, I know, I agree with that too... Thats really what punk was about, back in the good old day, lol... But hearing about politics or drugs all the time can really bring you down (or is that just me???)

2005-03-10 [wayne]: If i listen to anything for a long time it gets boring so i don't do it, so i don't know if it'd bring me down. But i doubt it would, although i have heard songs that do "bring me down"....Dance With the Devil orrrrr You Never Know both by Immortal Technique are ones i can think of off the top of my head. But neither one of those is about drugs or politics

2005-03-10 [FireGypsy]: You guys, i cant exactly put up all the names of the shitty rappers out there. I cant exactly put this wiki towards the circus tents idiots. But thats what this wiki is for. The moronic rappers who make themselves look like idiots. So dont take offence to the ones that are good okay? Because this wiki only applies to any rapper that fits these decriptions. And that picture. Isnt that cradle of filth? Thats hardcore heavy scream metal. You pick one crazy band out of them all. I dont know of any other band besides cradle of filth that paints themselves and wears all leather like that.

2005-03-10 [wayne]: ok,but...you don't differentiate between the "moronic rappers who make themselves look like idiots" and others.Just read the the whole wiki, you talk about ALL rap.

2005-03-10 [Love like Winter.]: I think that is cradle of filth, I reconize that hair! lol...

2005-03-11 [FireGypsy]: lol i just said that XD Yeah because rap SUCKS! i dont like it. If your going to speak to a drum beat then its not music. So im just going to say rap sucks in general. this is for ALL RAP HATERS! not just select few.

2005-03-11 [wayne]: so native american tribes didn't have music, african tribes didn't have music...and they still don't. And there's more than just a drum beat,there's also a sample. And you're allowed to have your opinion of "rap" but when your opinion is based on what little knowledge you have of it, it's only natural it's going to be attacked.

2005-03-12 [*ShawtY* (this place Bcumn so boring!)]: yeah exactly......they don't just "speak to a drum beat".....

2005-03-12 [FireGypsy]: oh im sorry they speak to a drum beat, and keyboard synths and the same beat everyone else uses.

2005-03-13 [*ShawtY* (this place Bcumn so boring!)]: ummm no, actually, you have no idea what you're talking about....most of the guys belong to record companies like Death Row or Aftermath that produce their own beats, they might take samples from other songs but they don't copy the whole song like some other people....and besides, ALL music has that, even rock, people take other peoples songs and make it their own....its not a hiphop thing...

2005-03-13 [*ShawtY* (this place Bcumn so boring!)]: most of their stuff is beats made up by the actual guys....its their own shit..

2005-03-13 [FireGypsy]: lol i wasnt saying they were stealing beats im saying that wether they created the beats or not, all they do is speak to a backup drum beat!!!!!!

2005-03-13 [*ShawtY* (this place Bcumn so boring!)]: yes but its more than just speaking, its got rythm and they've got a style...its way more than just speaking...they've got to have a way with words...(and you did say that they steal other peoples beats....up at the top of the page)

2005-03-14 [FireGypsy]: Yeah for the linkin park and ozzy songs that they ruined lol. Basically. all rap is is poetry put against a simple drum beat.

2005-03-14 [*ShawtY* (this place Bcumn so boring!)]: ok....and to some people (like us) its appealing.....we see it as more than that. We just think it sounds better than the style that rock music is...just like you feel the opposite, you think rock is better......ALL it has to do with is peoples preference.

2005-03-15 [*ShawtY* (this place Bcumn so boring!)]: just by the way....which linkin park and ozzy songs did they "ruin"?